In early November, Hot Tuna was playing at Natalie's Coal-Fired Pizza and Live Music in Worthington when a customer came in and wanted to sit down and enjoy a pizza.

“We had to tell him that he could get the pizza, but the cover charge would be $45,” Natalie's owner Charlie Jackson said. “He decided to get his pizza somewhere else.”

That type of problem is one of the reasons that Natalie's is expanding into a second location — with a separate dining room. Natalie’s Grandview will open its doors at 6:30 p.m. Wednesday, and Angela Perley will perform beginning at 8.

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Natalie's Grandview — which, like the original, is named after Jackson's daughter and business partner — has taken over the building at 945 King Ave., formerly occupied by sports bar King Avenue 5, which closed last December. The building is much bigger than the original Natalie's, which will continue to operate.

“(Natalie’s Grandview) will be a place where some people will come to dine and other people will come for the music, and both groups will be able to enjoy their own experiences,” general manager Michael Vehlber said.

“We don't want to be known as a pizza place that has music,” Charlie Jackson said. “We can do the kind of music we've always done, but we can also do dance shows and rock shows. And we can do a variety of floor layouts.”

The challenge will be managing both at the same time, Vehlber said.

“In the dining area, the lights will go down and the music will go up in the evening,” he said. “In that room, we have a small, separate stage area where we could have a jazz trio, for example, or we could have special seating on other nights.”

The menu at the new Natalie's will be larger as well.

“We will still have pizza and use the same dough. But it will be a different, more experimental menu — seasonally driven and more local,” said Bradley Balch, the executive chef for Natalie's Grandview.

This isn't the first time working together for Vehlber and Balch, who opened the Sycamore in 2013 and feel that they make a good team.

“We've already fought all our battles,” Vehlber joked.

The space also allows for bigger acts.

“We have a lot of shows that sell out and that we'd be able to sell more tickets for, ” Jackson said. “A lot of bands have grown up with us, and now their audiences are larger, and they need a bigger space.”

Currently, both locations will seat about 100 people for a show, Charlie Jackson said, but the new location has space for expansion.

Alec Wightman, whose Zeppelin Productions frequently books shows at the original Natalie's, is looking forward to the opening of the new venue.

“We've always had good, smaller-sized venues in Columbus, but they tended to be the bar scene. For an audience that really wanted to hear the words and listen without distraction, there wasn't much. Natalie's in Worthington clearly filled that void. But it's small, and it limits the kind of artist you can bring. I don't think there's anything like the new venue in Columbus. I think we'll be able to attract some bigger acts at a reasonable ticket price,” he said.

Perley, who with her band the Howlin’ Moons has frequently performed at the Worthington location, will christen the stage on Wednesday and also will perform in the space on New Year's Eve. She feels right at home at Natalie’s

“I definitely feel like my band and Natalie's are kindred spirits,” she said. “We're both looking to be sustainable and to grow gradually.”

The Jacksons are hoping that a venue closer to the Ohio State University campus will attract a new audience.

“We would get people saying that they would come to concerts, but Natalie's was too far away,” Charlie Jackson said.

The original Natalie's, which opened in 2012, still has a place in the Jacksons’ hearts.

“There are nights when I sit by the coal oven and think, ‘This is so cool. This is a very special place’” Natalie Jackson said.

But the space has its limitations — especially for diners who don’t want to pay for the show.

“At the original Natalie's, we have to stop serving (food) at 7 or 8,” Charlie Jackson said.

His daughter agreed: “No one eating at a restaurant wants to be told that they have to leave at a certain time.”

Timing also was an issue, Charlie Jackson said.

“We often have an older crowd, and they’re always asking if we can do shows earlier,” he said. “In Grandview, we can easily have shows starting at 8 (p.m.). We might have an early and a late show.

“From the beginning, we were looking for a place big enough for both a dining experience and a music venue. This space lets us go back to our original vision.”